Markus Lanz could not ignore the subject of Corona in his current program. It got emotional. No less when it comes to RAF terror. However, the conversation with two authors showed that even today it was possible with a certain cheerfulness.

The guests

  • Bernhild Braun, head of a senior center in Mainz
  • Theo Waigel, honorary chairman of CSU
  • Martin Suter, author
  • Benjamin von Stuckrad-Barre, author

Strong first part: the Corona crisis

With Braun and Waigel in particular, Lanz was very emotional about the topic: with the older generation in mind. Their months of isolation – in healthcare facilities for example – means that at some point they “will die of a broken heart”. Dealing with people should not be missed, Braun explains. She looked back on crisis management with mixed feelings. “The outlook for protection in retirement homes is not that positive.” Above all, there is a personal dilemma. With which their employees have “achieved a lot”. A fact that society takes for granted.

Lanz tried to steer the discussion to the fact that many in the at-risk group didn’t want isolation at all. Braun stood out here. Some did not want to live without contacts. Others demanded to protect the community. The fact is, if there is a case in a facility, “it cannot be stopped”. The division and isolation of those affected is also a serious invasion of privacy. However, according to Braun, the redeployment of protection with continuous testing of nurses and residents and the issue of FFP2 masks is strategically correct. However, there is a lack of human resources. Your care management is currently taking over the testing. Unlike the first wave, the politicians’ decision to allow visits and proximity is correct.

Strong Stuff Part Two: RAF terror in the 1990s

Waigel was invited to speak about a dark point in history: the murder of Treuhand boss Detlev K. Rohwedder in 1991 when the CSU man was federal finance minister. “I was number one in the RAF reticle,” explained Waigel. He reported warnings from Klaus Kinkel, then Federal Justice Minister, that he was in grave danger. In their commitment to the act, the RAF had emphasized that they had killed Rohwedder because “they couldn’t get Waigel.” High costs – as Lanz discovered – for Waigel in dealing with his responsibility to Rohwedder’s family. Waigel never said a word of reproach from them. But you have noticed the Bavarian: the subject is still working on him, more than 30 years later. Because Rohwedder, as a successful economist, “didn’t have to do the work at the Treuhand”. Rohwedder took over the job out of enthusiasm for reunification. He soon became disillusioned because it had proved impossible to restore the GDR economy. A circumstance that was misjudged in the beginning. When Rohwedder wanted to quit, he and then Chancellor Helmut Kohl persuaded him to continue, Waigel said.

Waigel’s Relationship with Other Political Figures

Lanz could not help but ask Waigel about his relationship with the CSU friend – including Markus Söder’s performance in current crisis management. “I think he is doing well,” said the retired minister. He is currently exchanging information with him via text message. Lanz was stunned: he showed a photo of a district conference in Nuremberg, where Söder had spoken out against Waigel as Bavarian prime minister. “He claps into her,” said Lanz’s conclusion. Waigel saw it calmly. He looks back too forgiving on his political career. He also fought with Helmut Kohl and Helmut Schmidt, and eventually he was reconciled with them. But he had to make a little swipe at Söder. He will only become Chancellor if he “goes to Stuttgart” and “joins the Greens”.

And Lanz?

You could tell that the talk show host had a certain closeness to his guests. He was very knowledgeable about all of them, knew many nuances of their lives. Which may not be surprising, because everyone was his guest on the show. Still, you felt that friends would meet here after a long time and answer the question “How are you?” respond with familiarity. That conveyed a certain cheerfulness – at least at the end of the conversation with the two authors.

It also gave viewers an insight into the world of the guests. You could forgive the moderator for his systemic hectic pace, the frequent search for a thread in the conversation or the constant repetition that he finds things “interesting”.

Suter and von Stuckrad-Barre talked about how they met on the Baltic Sea beach in Heiligendamm. “So he came up in bright orange swimming trunks and I thought, this is a low-threshold offer,” said von Stuckrad-Barre of the first meeting.

From the exchange between the “grandfather figure” Suter and the priest’s son, the book “Everyone has become so serious” was born. So did von Stuckrad-Barre. At least when Lanz wanted to ask him about his serious childhood story. Then the author evaded. But when he said about Waigel at the end, how surprised he was at how well the former minister had been read. then that is also a realization.

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